Episode 193-Storing Guns Outside Your Home 

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Gun Lawyer Episode 193

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taft, new jersey, put, ffl, gun, vending machines, ammo, president, carry, holster, roosevelt, sword, terms, storage, good, interesting, range, firearm, fanny pack, durandal

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Evan Nappen, Speaker 3

Evan Nappen 00:00
Hi. I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, I get asked often, where can I store my firearms, but not in my home? If I need to find a place of temporary storage? What can I do? Are there places that offer that? It can get a little tricky in New Jersey because you can’t just go and bring your guns to your friend’s house and have them hold it. That’s not a legal transfer. That’s deemed an illegal transfer. So, what can folks in Jersey do? Well, a good friend of the show, John Petrolino, just put out an excellent article called “NJ NICS Research Center Knocks it out of the Park on Storage Map.” (https://bearingarms.com/john-petrolino/2024/07/05/nj-nics-research-center-knocks-it-out-of-the-park- on-storage-map-n1225497) And I think they did, too. I agree with John. He did some great coverage here of the NJ NICS Research Center. This is an article that you can find on BearingArms, which is a great aggregate news site, and they have great writers like John. This is very interesting. This whole idea of gun storage, temporarily, outside the home. Sometimes gun owners need that because of various circumstances. They don’t want to leave their guns maybe at home when they’re going on vacation or going out of state for a while. Or sometimes there are situations in the home where they just don’t want firearms to be there. Whatever the reason, there is a movement on the anti-gun side, which is true, to facilitate offsite storage and how to do it legally.

Evan Nappen 02:13
So much so that what makes this so interesting is that the New Jersey Government tried to set up a safe storage, firearm storage, map through the Rutgers New Jersey Gun Violence, it’s always “gun violence”, you know, not criminal violence, Research Center. This was put together by Murphy, and they spent $3 million of our tax dollars to do this. Frankly, their site sucks, which you might expect. But the NNRC did an excellent job. They really researched and put the time in and came up with their list and recommendations. They made sure that the places confirmed it and were able and legal to do so. When you go to their website, which the link is in John Petrolino’s article, of course, but you can go to njnics.com, they have the New Jersey “Firearm Storage Map”. They have other things there, too, that’s of great interest. Their number one recommendation by the way, on the website is FSS Armory in Pine Brook, New Jersey, and Elite Tactical Academy in Easton, PA. They have the information there.

Evan Nappen 03:55
But what’s interesting and was pointed out right on their site is that many fraudulent maps are published by anti-gun organizations that wish to disarm the public. One such map was published, as we

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mentioned, by the Rutgers Gun Violence, “Gun Violence”, Research Center, and it cost $3 million. What NJNICS did is they did OPRA (Open Public Records Act) requests, and they put this together. By the way, Rutgers’ expenses were $107,672. NJNIC’s expenses were zero, by the way, and the New Jersey grant, paid by you and me, was $3 million. All right. Keep in mind that NJNICS is not sponsored by any firearm business. They have a storage map, and it’s literally mapped out. They list their top picks.

Evan Nappen 04:58
Their top picks are the FSS Armory. They’re in Pine Brook. And Elite Tactical Academy in Easton. Griffin and Howe in Andover, and they have Gunsitters in East Hanover. These are their top picks. They do put under Gunsitters, “inquire about FFL details”. That’s on the website. The other three are straight out recommendations because they are FFLs. Apparently, Gunsitters is not and that’s why they put that little red warning there under that. But these are their top picks. It does say there are more options and that includes Gun for Hire in Woodland Park. They got an “honorable mention”. They have an FFL license. Hackettstown Firearms Storage. They’re an FFL. Tactical Training Center Range in Flemington. They’re an FFL. Full Metal Jacket Range in Ocean View. They’re an FFL. Range 609 in Rio Grande. They’re an FFL. RTSP Range in Randolph and Union Hill. They’re an FFL, as well. Reloaderz in Wayne, and they’re an FFL. You can see their recommendations, their listings and the research that they’ve done. So that if you are looking to store firearms outside your home, even temporarily, these are some places that you could see if they meet your needs. According to NJNICS Research Center. So, good job for them. And for John for writing, again, a great article, very thorough and detailed. He really discusses these issues and gets the truth out. That’s why we love John. So, check that out.

Evan Nappen 07:19
Now, recently, this has been interesting. Seeing the post-debate. This isn’t exactly about guns, but then again, it is because Biden has been the most anti-gun President ever in history. He has done agency abuse to the maximum degree. Getting ATF to declare all kinds of legal things illegal and constantly pushing gun bans and these anti-Second Amendment actions. Of course, get ready for this, folks, he lies about his position. I’m pro-Second Amendment. I don’t want to shock you by saying Joe Biden’s a liar. But definitely on the Second Amendment, he surely is. Because his actions speak far louder than his words. You can see the effects as it has changed the dynamic and the messaging that comes out. But, luckily, the Supreme Court has, and other courts for that matter have hammered back his efforts at abuse of agency rule, abuse of our rights. So, I think it’s fair game here, and it’s very important.

Evan Nappen 08:42
Look, if you’re a one-issue voter like yours truly and that choice is going to come down to Trump or Biden, well, there’s only one choice then. Trump. That’s it man. End of story if that’s what you believe in. Because Biden is just there. Moneyed by the anti-gun lobby. Moneyed up the wazoo, you know, with Soros dollars and Bloomberg dollars and all that. He constantly pushes and constantly falls back to putting an anti-gun rights message out. So, I’m watching this debate, as I’m sure many of you did, and you see that finally, what we all knew, but apparently there was major cover up over it, his disabilities. His mental disability, and his physical disability. You know. You’ve listened I’m sure to the news that’s

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discussing the implications of all this. It’s scary even now thinking he’s our President. If we have our enemies’ prey upon us, that’s the guy making the decisions. It’s pretty scary.

Evan Nappen 10:01
So, the big issue at this moment, at the time of this podcast, is he going to drop out? Or is he going to stay? And that’s an interesting question. There’s a major push within the Democrat party. We’re talking about classic liberal media outlets that were their cheerleaders, their cheerleaders, participating in any message they wanted to put out. They ran with it, you know, and whatever it was. They have turned on him. I’m talking about the New York Times, Washington Post, Politico and on and on and on. Saying he has to go. He has to go; he has to go. Then there’s the loyal contingent saying, oh, no, he’s fine. Lying, gaslighting, all that. So, will he go? Will he or won’t he? And what’s interesting here is, my bet is that he’s not going to go. He’s not gonna go. He’s not gonna go because, first of all, the money is his – $200 million. It’s very hard dealing with the money. Getting those monies to any other candidate may not even be possible with maybe the exception of cackling Kamala. So, there’s that problem. There are early voting states where things need to be registered and put forward in advance. Getting a new candidate will place problems there. So, it looks like they’re stuck.

Evan Nappen 11:32
But I think the number one factor that you don’t hear that much about, but it’s plainly there, and that is why he is staying. I think it falls squarely on the shoulders of Jill Biden. If you watch his wife, Jill, she’s there leading him. Always there. She praises him like a little toddler. Oh, that was so good, Joe. You answered all the questions. I was ready for her to say, have a cookie. I mean, what? You know, this is our president, right? This woman loves the First Lady life, and she doesn’t want to get rid of it. Power through the Presidency. If she doesn’t approve of him leaving, he’s not going to get out. This reminds me, historically, of another famous First Lady, but it may not be the First Lady you’re thinking of. Many of you might think that one of the key First Ladies who had tremendous influence over their President husband was Mrs. Wilson. President Woodrow Wilson’s wife, (Edith Bolling Galt Wilson). While he was incapacitated from a stroke and whatever his problems were, you know, she did step in.

Evan Nappen 12:57
But she was not the first First Lady that has the same or better analogies to what’s going on now with Jill Biden. For that, the First Lady you need to look at is Nellie Taft. That’s right. Nellie Taft. Her full name was Helen Louise Taff, but she went by Nellie. She was William Howard Taft’s wife, and she was an unbelievably ambitious woman who, even at the age of 17, said she wanted to become First Lady. So, she married Taft. She guided him through his political career and made all the moves to get them closer to the presidency. She played it out really well with Theodore Roosevelt. He was Secretary of War at one point. And what happened was, you see, Roosevelt had two terms as President. The first term was when President McKinley was assassinated, and he won his second term in a huge landslide. It was clear that if he ran for a third term, he’d be reelected again. But he did not want to break the tradition of Washington, President George Washington, who only served two terms. Now, there wasn’t a requirement in those days to only serve two terms. But Roosevelt was not one to break convention or tradition, even though later his cousin, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, would break that tradition and run for terms exceeding two and be elected even. But Theodore Roosevelt had a lot more respect for tradition

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than Franklin Roosevelt did. He said, I’m getting out of here, and I’m going to Africa. He had Taft as his handpicked successor, and everyone was good with it.

Evan Nappen 15:17
It was kind of understood that Roosevelt was going to take this break, and then come back. Then he could run again, because he believed you couldn’t have more than two presidential terms. You couldn’t have more than two in a row. But as long as you gave a break and then came back, you could and that would be fair game. So, when he came back after Africa, the famous 1912 election time, Nellie Taft did not want her husband to give it up. And Roosevelt’s like, hey, you know, we kind of had this understanding. And guess what they did? They rigged the Republican convention. Yep. They rigged the conventions in those days, too. Taft was the current president, and he could exert the power. They rigged the convention, and even though Roosevelt wanted the nomination, Taft got the nomination. Roosevelt was pretty angry about it, so he ran as a third party. He beat Taft in the general election, but he split the ticket and that’s how Wilson became President. Woodrow Wilson became president. Then, of course, Woodrow Wilson, with World War One and the Versailles Treaty. The Versailles Treaty just hammered Germany so hard that it laid the groundwork for the rise of Adolf Hitler and World War Two. It was not a good idea. That’s why we changed after World War Two and adopted the Marshall Plan instead of a Versailles Treaty type plan. But you can trace all this back to Nellie Taft and her pushing her husband, who really just wanted to be a Supreme Court justice. Even when he had been offered it earlier, she made him turn it down. No, you’ve got to be President. He just wanted to be a judge. He didn’t want to be President. He didn’t like being President. But Nellie. Nope, nope, nope, you’re going to be President. And that’s what he did. It wasn’t until years later, after he lost, and Harding became President. Harding actually finally made Taft, gave him his dream job and put him on the Court. And that’s what he loved. That’s what he wanted to do. He didn’t even want to be President nevertheless
run for a second term. So, if you want to look for analogy, there’s a good analogy. The Nelly Taft story. I think it’s interesting, and it is something that is newsworthy today that you’re not really hearing discussed, but I think it’s something you should hear.

Evan Nappen 18:04
I am proud to mention that this podcast is sponsored by the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. It is the gun rights organization for New Jersey. They are the stalwart defenders of our rights. They are currently in federal court litigating over all those vital major cases, challenging the assault weapon ban, the large capacity magazine ban, the Carry Killer bill and more. More is coming down the pike, too. This is a group that you need to be part of. Their full time paid lobbyist keeps an eye on the shenanigans in Trenton, and they put out a great newsletter. You need to be a member of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. You can go to their website anjrpc.org, and you can see all the great work. You’ll get their top line newsletter, email alerts. You will know, by joining the Association, that you are a part of the solution. We all want to be part of the solution. I would hope so. That’s what you can do. It’s the minimum you can do. Join anjrpc.org.

Evan Nappen 19:18
I also want to mention my favorite gun range, which is WeShoot. WeShoot is another proud sponsor of Gun Lawyer, and they are a fantastic range in Lakewood, New Jersey. An indoor pistol range there. They have top trainers, a top facility with a great pro shop. They will set you up with everything you

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need for your firearm licensing. Your actual gear, whatever it is. They can help you out, and they are really friendly. They will treat you like family. Everybody who goes there loves it. I know you will, too. They’re right there in Central Jersey, Lakewood. It’s easy, right off the Parkway. They are a great resource with a top line range. You need to check out WeShoot. They are just the best.

Evan Nappen 20:19
Don’t forget that on August 9, Lieutenant Colonel “Mikey” Hartman is going to be there live, and I’m going to be there, too. I don’t want to miss Lieutenant Colonel Hartman. Remember, he was a top sniper, Master Sniper, for the IDF. He created the entire firearms training program for the IDF. He trained half a million or more soldiers. If you heard the show where I had him live on the show. I was very proud to have him on the show. What a great man. And man, you’ve got to check out his resume. You can’t believe the stuff that he’s done. He also has a great training course right online at elitemarksman.com, EliteMarksman.com. You can actually get the course that trains the IDF. And it’s a wonderful course. If you use the secret code “Gun Lawyer”, you get $100 off. That’s a special deal that he did for us. But look, it’s free to come down and meet Lieutenant Colonel Hartman. He goes by Mikey Hartman. I’m looking forward to it. I really am. So, check it out.

Evan Nappen 21:44
Last but not least, I have to shamelessly plug my book, which is New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun laws. I wrote it, and it’s over 500 pages with 120 topics all in a question and answer format. It’s your roadmap to understanding New Jersey’s insanity that they call gun laws. I want you to stay safe, not committing GOFUs. It’s my whole calling in life, and this book stands as a testament to that. It’s the 25th Anniversary Edition, and it is a labor of love. You can just go to EvanNappen.com and order the book right online. When you get the book, scan the front QR code there and subscribe for free, no charge whatsoever, to my database of which I keep private, by the way. I will let you know about any updates, and you can access the archives at any time. Get all the updates so the book stays current. You stay current, and you stay protected. So, pick up your copy of New Jersey Gun Law today at EvanNappen.com.

Evan Nappen 22:55
So, here’s something that I think you may find interesting. Some of you may be gamers. I know my son, Teddy, is. He loves doing the video game thing, and he’s really good at it, too. There’s a game out there that some of you may be familiar with called Borderlands. The Borderlands game is popular. There are different games that have come out under the Borderlands name. One of the things that I saw which I thought was interesting is how ammunition gets sold in that video game. There’s this guy Marcus Kincaid, if any of you are familiar with the game. Marcus Kincaid is quite the entrepreneur, a mercenary type of guy, and he set up vending machines throughout the Borderlands gamescape there. You actually buy your ammunition and guns and other things, too. But definitely ammo from Marcus’ Ammo Dump, his vending machines. One of his famous quotes is “Remember Marcus means quality at a great price.”

Evan Nappen 24:21
So, if any of you are familiar with what I’m talking about or even if you’re not, you might get a kick out of hearing that we now have, for real, in the United States, ammo vending machines. That’s right. Vending

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machines that dispense ammunition have just been put into two stores in Alabama. That’s right. It’s done by a company called American Rounds, and we’re probably going to see these popping up all over the place, except New Jersey, of course. Because New Jersey has all the added regulation including registration of ammunition purchase. But these are popping up in Free America. These two grocery stores have American Rounds there. They put them in at Fresh Value grocery stores. So, they’re in two grocery stores at the moment, and they’re apparently a very big hit with customers, particularly in Alabama. The way it works is you put your photo ID into the machine, and then the machine does a 360 degree scan to match you to the ID card. Then you can buy the ammunition you want from the vending machine, and it disperses your ammo, just like that.

Evan Nappen 25:49
So, I was thinking about this saying, wow, that’s really handy. You can just buy ammo at any time of the day or night that the food store is open. That’s pretty good, right? Twenty-four hour ammo purchase. There you go. Maybe at some point, we’re going to see these ammo vending machines at the airport. Imagine that. Now, of course, they can’t put it in the protected zone where you have to go through security, but they could have some outside security. Anyone who flies with guns and goes to different places, you get there, and oh yeah, I gotta get some ammo. So, before you exit the airport, you go to the ammo vending machine and pick up some ammo there. Maybe they’ll even start having like holsters, too, you know, other things in the vending machine. Of course, you can’t sell the guns yet in the vending machine like the video game, but you can have other accessories. Right now, these ammo vending machines are a real thing. Apparently, they’re pretty popular. One of them’ s in Tuscaloosa and the other is in Pell City. I think we’re going to see these get bigger and more popular, especially in Free America. Where you can just buy your ammunition the same way you can buy so many other things in vending machines. You’ve seen electronics purchases, right? You’ve seen everything imaginable coming out of vending machines. I even remember the old days when you bought that gumball that one day you could get ammo. Well, there you go, folks. Ammo vending machines. Gotta like it.

Evan Nappen 27:35
Then I picked up another fascinating little ditty for you. How many of you are now aware that somebody pulled France’s, the country of France, legendary sword called the “Durandal” sword. The Durandal sword was in stone, kind of like the way Excalibur for the English was in stone. Well, the Durandal sword was wedged in this stone for 1300 years. Somebody apparently pulled it out because it’s missing. It’s gone. Not only was the stone holding this sword, but they were afraid that somebody might try to steal the sword there in France, it was even chained in addition to being in the stone. It’s a 32 feet high climb to get to it, and it had a chain around it as well. Somehow, that sword vanished. Now apparently the sword is claimed to be the sword of Roland, who was an officer of Charlemagne in French epic literature. They said it belonged to Charlemagne at one point, passed through other hands and then came to Roland. It’s been a familiar sight in the town of Rocamadour. Apparently, that’s where it was. They say they feel that they’ve been stripped of a part of itself, but even if it’s legend, the destinies of our village and this sword are entwined.

Evan Nappen 29:38
So, it’s a shame to hear about the Durandal sword. You can read about this. I actually got it from “Not the Bee”. You’ve probably heard of the Babylon Bee. But there’s another part where they have “Not the

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Bee”, where they send you things that seem like it almost might qualify as a Babylon B parody, but it’s actually real stories. They apparently got it themselves from the Daily Mail Online. So, if you want to read more about the disappearance of the Durandal sword, you can check that out. (https://notthebee.com/article/frances-legendary-durandal-sword-vanishes-from-the-rock-in-which-its- been-wedged-for-1300-years)

Evan Nappen 30:20
Now, one of the favorite sections of Gun Lawyer that’s just so popular is the GOFU. The GOFU, of course, is Gun Owner Fuck Ups, and we talk about them because these are expensive lessons that certain people have learned that you get to learn for the cheap. It’s really talking about mistakes and avoiding mistakes. Keeping yourself safe and not becoming a victim of New Jersey gun law. So, I have a letter that’s going to kind of roll into what the GOFU is today. This letter is from Maryalice, and Maryalice said, Hi, Evan. In Show 183 a guy asked about using the magnetic pistol holder in his car. Your response based on law was surprising to me. I did buy one of those magnets for the purpose of mounting it in my car. It got me thinking about the ability for a woman to carry in her purse. I was having an issue trying to find a holster for my SIG Macro with the Icarus lower because of the thumb “wings”. So, in the interim, I purchased a carry purse and a fanny pack. The fanny pack will likely be on my person. However, when I’m driving, the purse is not on me but likely on the seat next to me. What is the law on this? You made a strong point of carry must be on the person. Are either of these alternatives to an on person holster legal in NJ? Also, please give a shout out to the State Police Troop B in Augusta as they approved my carry permit this week in three hours and 15 minutes from the final reference. Boy, that is pretty good. I gotta give credit there. In total, the application process from the application sent to them to receipt of approval was 12 hours. Well, congratulations. Sounds like record time. I think it is record time. But if someone has a faster one, let me know. But that’s really outstanding that you got your permit that quickly. Of course, what’s not outstanding is being limited in where we can use it and everything that the Carry Killer bill has put upon us, but we’re fighting them. That’s why you need to belong to the Association. Maryalice. Thank you for always providing interesting dialogue and for all I’ve learned from your show and the listeners’ questions.

Evan Nappen 32:42
Well, thank you for being a listener and thank you for bringing this up. So, let’s talk about this. Yes, the GOFU which Maryalice did not commit, luckily, because of listening to the show would be carrying your firearm improperly in your vehicle. We’re not like other states in New Jersey, remember that. You cannot have that gun on a magnet mount. You cannot have that gun in the console of your car. You cannot have it loaded so you can just open the console or open the glovebox like in many states you can. Nope, it does not. We’re lucky at the moment because the Association brought their case and was able to get an injunction over the Car Jacker Protection language of the Carry Killer law, which mandated that we couldn’t carry our loaded handgun at all in our motor vehicle, even with a permit, even with a New Jersey Carry Permit.

Evan Nappen 33:41
Now, we can do that. We can carry, but it has to be loaded and concealed on your person, even in the vehicle. So, the GOFU is to not make the mistake of improperly carrying in your vehicle, which luckily Maryalice did not make that mistake. She has a good question What about a purse or the fanny pack?

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Well, with a fanny pack, it should be belted around you. Therefore, it is on your person. It’s belted to you. As long as it meets the criteria for the holster, where it covers and protects the guard and holds it secure. All those things we’ve talked about in the past. You are good to go with the fanny pack around you. The purse gets a little trickier because the purse holsters are made to conceal a holster that holds the gun. Well, if you have that over your shoulder, it’s on your person and that’s good. Now, if it’s not on your person and it’s in the vehicle, we’re straying further away. I don’t want to see you become the test case of if it’s right next to you on the seat kind of leaning, touching you, right next to you. Then we have good claims to make that you still have dominion and control of it. It’s on your person or as good as on your person.

Evan Nappen 35:06
But if you put it behind you on the back seat or on the passenger seat, I mean, it’s going to end up becoming arguably a jury question on that definition, whether you met it. Remember, when we’re dealing with a jury, we have to convince 12 people who weren’t smart enough to avoid jury duty. So, your best bet is to be very careful. The fanny pack is solid when it’s on you. That’s on your person. You’re good. With the purse, you want to make sure it’s on your person, really try to achieve that. Make sure you have your permit, and make sure you remember your Duty to Disclose if you are stopped. You have to say you have the gun, and you have to have your permit and show it. Because of that, this may get tested sooner rather than later. You’ve got to mention having a gun and then your method of carry can end up getting questioned. Then you can end up being a GOFU, which you need to avoid. So, be careful. Follow those guidelines.

Evan Nappen 36:16
This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 3 36:26
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